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Anyone But Fletcher
Anybody checked out this website? Know who's behind it? Thoughts?
http://anyonebutfletcher.info/Home_Page.html
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Permalink Reply by Leslie Barns on -
That's exactly what has happened with me in the past couple of years. I would bitch about things happening in my hood, and nothing happens. Then the public votes this thing back into power.
So, I give up.
the general said:How can limiting people's involvement and participation in the democratic process be beneficial to anyone?
This is statement that is similar to a small child taking their ball and going home because their team is losing.
The public has spoken and now we all need to deal with the results.
If you are not happy with the results of the election, then get involved more often than every 4 years, attend meetings, speak with councillors, be an active member of the community groups.
In the days following elections people need to think of the words spoken by Ghandi,
"Be the change you want to see in the world."
General.
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Permalink Reply by Pentimento Fine Art Gallery on -
I watched Paula last night on CityTV exclaim that change was not wanted in Ward 30....really? Apparently she has learned nothing about what residents and businesses want done in this ward and it will be business as usual. Unfortunately Paula more people voted against you and your policies so it's time to wake up and smell the coffee! You need to change and start to represent this ward properly! You got lucky now prove you deserve this chance.
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Permalink Reply by Pat on -
Andrew, I agree with you that electoral reform would be a good thing, but most of the province didn't agree in the referendum in 2007. So we're stuck with first-past-the-post.
I suspect most people didn't understand what the referendum question was: if another referendum happens some day, an educational campaign must precede the vote.
It's clear that not everyone educates themself, or keeps up on what is happening in an election: look at the number of votes cast for you and others who had stepped out of the various races.
Andrew James said:"The people have spoken", yes, but what did they say, and has it been reflected in the electoral results?
47% of Torontonians voted for Rob Ford. 53% didn't.
45% of Ward 30 residents voted for Paula Fletcher. 55% didn't.
41% of Ward 30 residents voted for Mary Fregedakis. 59% didn't.
In Australia, they use a preferential ballot that avoids vote-splitting problems. For example, I could have continued my campaign to the end, and those of you who like my ideas could have indicated that I was your first preference, and marked Liz or Paula or Mark or Angie as your second or subsequent preferences.
The easy solution is out there, but incumbents generally lack motivation to change the rules. Hey Paula, how committed are you to addressing this democratic deficit?
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Permalink Reply by 0hiowy4covr3r on -
I encourage everyone to stay in touch with their candidates and find out if they're willing to commit to 2014.
I also STRONGLY encourage ALL of you to check out a man named Dave Meslin and his RaBIT initiative; he is taking ACTION to bring the ranked-ballot system that Andrew speaks of to us. We need it - badly - and it's very easy to do, but we need to put pressure on those elected last night, and we need a concerted effort to get it done. We can't wait four years.
Check it out at http://www.rabit.ca/
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Permalink Reply by 0hiowy4covr3r on
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Another thing that would help with the "withdrawn" candidates would be a closed-computer system (ie, one with no inputs, solely a system that's physically closed, with no access to the programming).
That way, even the night before, the system could be updated to reflect an accurate ballot; security concerns would be allayed by keeping the main module inaccessible except by physically carrying the tamperproof "black box" (with the programming and the results) to the rally point (much the same way as MDROs carry their ballots to the count points now).
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Permalink Reply by Pat on
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It still requires an amendment of the Municipal Elections act 1996 by the Provincial Government to implement these changes, does it not? Which means the province has to be convinced.
" Marking ballot, etc.
(3) On receiving the ballot from the deputy returning officer, the elector shall,
(a) make a cross or other mark on the ballot, within the space designated for the marking of the ballot to the right of the name of each candidate for whom the elector wishes to vote (or, in the case of a by-law or question, to the right of the answer for which he or she wishes to vote);
(b) fold the ballot in a manner that conceals its face; and
(c) return the folded ballot to the deputy returning officer. 1996, c. 32, Sched., s. 52 (3); 2002, c. 17, Sched. D, s. 19 (2)."
Mark Dewdney said:I encourage everyone to stay in touch with their candidates and find out if they're willing to commit to 2014.
I also STRONGLY encourage ALL of you to check out a man named Dave Meslin and his RaBIT initiative; he is taking ACTION to bring the ranked-ballot system that Andrew speaks of to us. We need it - badly - and it's very easy to do, but we need to put pressure on those elected last night, and we need a concerted effort to get it done. We can't wait four years.
Check it out at http://www.rabit.ca/
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Permalink Reply by 0hiowy4covr3r on
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I'm positive we can get that done. Make it an issue in the upcoming provincial election - electoral reform's got to be right up there if we want a system that obviates the complaints about vote-splitting.
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Permalink Reply by greedman on -
it does not matter who your vote for, the government always gets back in ;)
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Permalink Reply by Angie Tingas on -
Perhaps Ms. Fletcher won, a shame if she can't see that the citizens are concerned... I think the Leslieville portion of the city will be treated far better with polar differences such as Mary-Margaret having to deal with Paula on certain key issues in the area. The same reign will not be had, affective communication will be needed to get stuff done in the area. I am certain of it when I say this.
My concern for our ward is how much will Ms. Fletcher fight with Mayor Ford, how much will she work with him to help our ward... and I emplore you as citizens of ward 30 to make your concerns be known to both her office and the mayors. We can insist fairness on all ends. We can be the change, I will be around..!
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Permalink Reply by ggood on
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John, that attitude, has always been my issue. Some people just never seem to be able to see beyond themselves, and it would appear to be the case here/
Pentimento Fine Art Gallery said:I watched Paula last night on CityTV exclaim that change was not wanted in Ward 30....really? Apparently she has learned nothing about what residents and businesses want done in this ward and it will be business as usual. Unfortunately Paula more people voted against you and your policies so it's time to wake up and smell the coffee! You need to change and start to represent this ward properly! You got lucky now prove you deserve this chance.
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Permalink Reply by Andrew James on -
Pat, the 2007 provincial referendum on MPP had nothing to with the method of municipal balloting, and a preferential ballot has nothing to do with proportional representation.
The Municipal Elections Act is not specific as to how ballot choices are to be counted, which makes sense because Toronto and other Ontario municipalities have leeway as to whether councillors are elected at large or via a ward system. The prescribed ballot form is pretty generic, and would leave room for voters to write in a number for each candidate in their preferred order.
Bottom line, I believe the city could bring in a preferential ballot without provincial say-so. But of course the city is run by a mayor and councillors who want to preserve their incumbency advantage. Without political parties in municipal politics - (making it harder for challengers to build up their brand - there's no bigger advantage to a municipal incumbent than the single vote, first-past-the-post system we have now.
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Permalink Reply by 0hiowy4covr3r on
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Ah, the Internet...the easiest way to be misunderstood. :) No biggie.
Kimberly Humphries said:I am sorry Mark. My comment was made never to be taken so seriously. However, you and many others are correct. My statement was not thought out. It was intended as more of a "if only...." Reading all these replies demonstrates that no one could hear my tone of voice in a quick sentence. I apologize.
I also agree that getting involved or passionate only at election time is not enough. I am new to the ward, so it was just my first chance. I certainly hope to be more involved in the future.
Wishing everyone a great day in a great ward!
Kimberly
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