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A new men's shelter is proposed for Leslie Street, in the old Legion building just north of Loblaws.  It will be operated by the Salvation Army and house 124 men.

Beaches counsellor McMahon says she supports it.  I wonder if she would say that if was proposed for the heart of the Beach?  Actually, I don't wonder.

What bothers me is that these projects are inevitably rammed into the poorest areas (where there is the least resistance).  So the same people who were forced to accept the streetcar tracks get this as well.

The rich get richer. 

http://www.insidetoronto.com/news-story/6224650-homeless-shelter-for-men-could-be-coming-to-leslieville/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter        

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Bill - you make some very good points - but be prepared to be crucified for having an opinion that 

Frankly, I am tired of this Councillor continually speaking on behalf of the residents

I have also heard her comments in the press and do not recall being consulted - were the residents on Leslie consulted or is the councilor simply sending them some free security bars for their windows

The planned "information session" is occurring post decision - WTF is that about

Questions that need to be answered -

>Where was the engagement MMM?

>Where are these people going to go during the day? Local businesses have already suffered due to the the absolute boondoggle brought on by the TTC and construction along Eastern and Leslie 

> Queen St E is quickly becoming a wasteland with more and more vacant commercial properties, what entrepreneur in his/her right mind will want to set up a business and invest that will drive gentrification? Queen can only support so many pawn shops, "Art Galleries" and "Antique/Junk" shops

I recall the campaigning to eliminate Big Box in that area, how it would ruin the culture and livelihood of the area - the alternative is going to be a real b++ch

People walk past that building to access the TTC on Queen - now what do they do? Take a stroll along Queen between Parliament and Jarvis for some perspective

Seems the councilor wants to have her own little "Moss Park" - she will soon have that

To Bill's point - what is wrong having this in the Beach ? Perhaps it is too close to where the councilor and her supporters live

....and before all the do gooders make stupid comments - I have  supported the SA for years - but for an organization that screams INCLUSIVE, there was no such consideration in choosing this location

Well done MMM - let us know when a shelter opens on YOUR street

There are many other areas where it would be cheaper to relocate - I for one will be supporting organizations that live being inclusive and are much more fiscally responsible with the donations they receive

For what it's worth, I whole-heartedly agree with you on the "consultation" aspect of this.  My views on the shelter itself are more or less irrelevant, since MMM has all but said that the consultation is simply window dressing and this is essentially a done deal, pending Council approval (which will happen because a homeless shelter here means one less shelter for other councillors to worry about in their Wards - funny how so many talk a good game about wanting more City services, but hardly any are willing to actually host them in their Wards?).  I just can't believe that after all the crap the folks on Leslie St have had to deal with over the last 3-5 years with the TTC streetcar garage that the City is now (with the blessing of MMM) about to drop a homeless shelter directly across the street from them, and do so without a word until it was a done deal.

 

Call us NIMBY if you want, but by any reasonable measure this neighborhood more than holds it own in terms hosting various social services, between the various Woodgreen Centres, the Ralph Thornton Centres,  the multiple Assisted Living Centres, the soon-to be built Red Door Shelter and others.  Seems to me that if MMM is so keen on supporting this, then why isn't she pushing for space in the Beach (which I doubt would be prohibitively more expensive than Leslieville), instead of jumping all over a space that is on the far outer reaches of her Ward, far from any other Ward 32 residents? 

 

Of course we know the answer - she gets to look like a hero for "welcoming" a new shelter with open arms, technically in her Ward, but gets to do so in a way that has no chance of getting blowback from her neighbors in the Beach.  Very shrewd politics MMM.

 

It's entirely possible that this shelter ends up having miminal impact on the community, but then again, why only tell us about it when its essentially a done deal?  If you're out there telling the Toronto Star what a welcoming neighborhood we are, then why not trust us to fairly consider and consult on the proposal beforehand? 

 

Lord only knows that nobody could put forth a condo or commercial proposal that needs Council approval without 5 rounds of consultation, but a homeless shelter in a primarily residential neighborhood full of young kinds can be a fait accompli without a word to the community?  

 

 

 

I just spoke with Richard Decter (Paula Fletcher's constituency assistant) to voice my concerns.  I am worried in particular about two aspects: first, the lack of consultation (Richard told me that they found out about the shelter's proposed location over the holidays!) and second, I am very concerned about the involvement of the homophobic Salvation Army.

Let's be heard! Call Paula's office, call MM's office, call the nearby businesses and let's be clear that we want to be welcoming but only when there is thoughtful consultation and only when the organization running the shelter has a history of being welcoming.

I am sure the councillor was well aware .... I would be doing the happy dance that this isn't in her ward....but clearly on the boarder

Looks like MM received some feedback yesterday that was not consistent with her previous comments suggesting community support

It is absurd to suggest the community supports this.  If that were the case, put it to a vote.



JR said:

I am sure the councillor was well aware .... I would be doing the happy dance that this isn't in her ward....but clearly on the boarder

Looks like MM received some feedback yesterday that was not consistent with her previous comments suggesting community support

I wasn't able to make yesterday's meeting.  Can anyone provide an overview of what happened?

Thanks!

jg

Check out either City or CP 24...sorry forget which one
Seems there is a lot of frustration and push back on this...videos to City for stepping up
Also, IMO, the news outlet highlighted the contradiction of the statements made by local politicians a few weeks back vs the reality

So many better places for this place to be located ..... beside retirement housing, a beer store and young families is not one of them....but, apparently everyone supports this

Well, I have to say she reaps what she sows.  She cannot be so daft as to think that the idea of dropping a homeless shelter into a residential area won't be at least controversial - if it weren't, they'd be better dispersed throughout the City.  If you want community buy-in to something like this, then the right approach is to get the community on board ahead of time - you don't wait until the story leaks and then hastily throw together a sham "consultation" barely 2 weeks before a council vote while concurrently announcing that its all but a done deal anyway and then claiming there's overwhelming support for it in any event.  That's hardly the way to get the community on side, and frankly only lends fuel to any lingering suspicions over this proposal. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2016/01/27/proposed-leslievil...

 

So no surprise here (after all, approving a shelter in Leslieville means one less shelter to worry about in their Wards), but then again with all the talk from Councillors about how wonderful this is going to be for our community, I look forward to all the hands going up from those same Councillors volunteering to host shelters in their Wards or neighborhoods in the future.

 

Not holding my breath on that one.... 

This was a done deal months ago
The councillor needs to be asked if she would be as supportive if it was located on her street or in the Beach
Makes Sandra look like a saint
Beside a bar and across from a beer store - brilliant!!!!!!
Shame on the councillor for what she has done to the residents and the immediate community


Chris B said:

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2016/01/27/proposed-leslievil...

 

So no surprise here (after all, approving a shelter in Leslieville means one less shelter to worry about in their Wards), but then again with all the talk from Councillors about how wonderful this is going to be for our community, I look forward to all the hands going up from those same Councillors volunteering to host shelters in their Wards or neighborhoods in the future.

 

Not holding my breath on that one.... 

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